Different Types of Cardio

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posted by stabmasterflex

Is one type of cardio going to have better results than another?

Should I mix up the cardio I do by switching machines every week or so?

I've been using the stair climber for about a year now and i usually do about 25-40 minutes of cardio after lifting for about 1 hour. I haven't noticed any major shrinkage in my gut which is what i've been aiming for.

Should I be running instead? The only problem with this is according to the stairmaster i'm burning 350-400 calories in 20 mins while the treadmill is usually around 200 calories for 20 mins.

posted by mongowillie

You should not do the cardio so close to your workout. Try to keep them separated by 6-8 hours.

Have you changed your diet any?

posted by kgressler

Not true at all.
Best time for cardio is first thing in AM on an empty stomach for thos who have higher bf levels or a small isolate shake before or some bcaa for thos with lower bf levels. Then after lifting is a perfect time also.
I would like to know where you got this info mongo.Whoever told you shouldnt be giving out advise.

posted by Sean

You want your body to have enough calories to fuel it and repair it when building muscle. You could try to eat extra to make up for the cardio after you workout, but I wouldn't try it. That's why people either Bulk or Cut. Morning Cardio is the way to go on an empty stomach.

Why Cardio & Weights Should Be Split

I have seen many threads in the past asking the same two questions over and over:

Should I perform cardio directly before weights?
Should I perform cardio directly after weights?

The simple answer is: NEITHER.

There is a little debate about this, but it should be quite simple to understand IMO. This is one of the main things that a lot of people do improperly, and can certainly hinder their goals; be it either fat-loss or increasing muscle mass.

Should I perform cardio directly before weights?

This is not recommended for two main reasons.

Reason One: You will be too physically drained after a cardio session to give the required effort to perform a superior workout.

Reason Two: You should have ample amounts of fuel in your system before exercising properly. It will generally take six hours, depending on meal placement to do so. Below is a quote from dalcowbag supporting this:

Should I perform cardio directly after weights?

I figured that I would let some of SwoleCat’s various quotes of advice explain this, so I’m not just retelling what I’ve read. Below is a compilation of the better posts I’ve read regarding Cardio after weights:

I stole this from Blown_SC, he posted it on another board.

posted by kgressler

While making sense Sean those are just other opinions. I could post opinions from trusted sources like Bobo form AM .com which i would trust over just about anyone.
If you have any studies showing this i would love to see them. The problem with your copy and pasted post is how many people can hit the gym twice in a day or three times a day if also doing morning cardio.
I do cardio first thing in the AM around 7. I then hit the gym around 3 and lift for 40-50 minutes.I then do cardio afterwards.
If i were to wait for a few hours then i would have to be hitting the gym 3 times a day. This is great if you dont have a job or life but 99% of us dont have a career as a bb'er so this just isnt an option for most of us.
SO its good in theory but in real world applications it isnt really gonna make that drastic of a difference to the average joe if your cardio is done hours after lifting!

posted by kgressler

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=855&highlight=cardio

I couldnt find any studies but i found a article thats kinda dances around the issue.Its a few posts down the thread but either way its a great read about cardio and High intensity vs low and post cardio nutrition etc.
But cardio after weights isnt bad for you.

Your anabolic window is 45-90 minutes after lifting so getting in 20-30 minutes after lifting isnt gonna cut into this window at all.

posted by Smallguy

Good post Sean I'll take swolecat's advice any idea with his reputation for completly transfroming physqiues.

posted by kgressler

LOL! I guess everyone else is an idiot compared to SC! Like i said yeah in a perfect world this would be best but who has the time to hit the gym the often if bf loss is your main concern. I can see if its just 2 or 3 times a week but if you are doing 2 cardio sessions a day this just isnt gonna work.
And again like i already stated with window of around 90 minutes to take in your PWO nutrition i see nothing wrong with getting in cardio in the period of time.
But hey who am i to try and share info when you can do no research and just go by what another person says. :banghead:

posted by A.B

cardio in the morning on an empty stomach is more catabolic...

and people can do cardio without having to go to the gym... i lift at the gym, and do cardio at home running around the block, or riding a bike etc etc

posted by Smallguy

Ok smartass since you know it all you must also be ware that lifting weights depletes what are call glycogen stores. Carbohydrates refuel your glycogen stores. This is why you add simple sugars to you PW shakes

When you do cardio post workout and have no ATP or carbs in your system AND your body is not able to convert fat fast enough what do you think it looks to for fuel well I'll be nice and save you the research. It’s called protein which is the building block of muscle. In laymen’s terms your muscles are protein.

So when you body has no ATP, no glycogen stores and can’t convert fat into useable fuel fast enough it will burn protein or muscle.

Regardless of what the damn anabolic window is doing cardio after lifting put you body in a position where it may burn muscle for fuel. And in Bodybuilding we try to build muscle so why would we want our bodies to burn any muscle for fuel.

posted by gymphreak

how the hell can someone be so ignorant?? your whole muscular system is mainly protein! Thats why we supplement our diets with tons of protein. I think you should remove your head from bonbon's ass and grip reality son.

Doing cardio on an empty stomach is 100% catabolic due to the fact that your body requires fuel to burn, and it WILL burn the easiest source of fuel....which is what?? PROTEIN! thus it will tap into your muscle stores to burn off protein before it hits the adipose tissue since the adipose tissue requires FAR more energy to burn than protein/ATP stores in the muscle. HENCE the kickstart to give the body a divertion to the recently ingested fuel to burn before it primes up to hit the adipose tissue rather than using the muscle stores to prime up to hit the adipose tissue.....Thats why:

1) you should always at least get some food in your system preworkout to get the body kickstarted and into active drive....granted you will burn off what you just ingested, but it will provide the body with enough fuel to attack the adipose tissue.

2) you NEVER do cardio postworkout, due to the fact that your body has already exhausted all its fuel into the muscles which is used FOR MUSCLE GROWTH! THATS WHY WE USE SIMPLE CARBS PWO ALONG WITH PROTEIN! And by doing this cardio PWO, you are just taking away all the fuel away from the muscles (which it needs for GROWTH) in order to have the energy to even burn any fat if the body even has enough energy to do it...

AND LASTLY

3) if you do damn cardio before your workout...what happens here? you are burning all the fuel in the body which you have eaten all day thats readily available for muscle growth, thus the body has no fuel in the system to give 100% to lift....Most will say "well you can take a shake with some carbs and blah blah between the cardio and the workout....WRONG! you have just defeated the whole purpose of the cardio...as you are just basically putting back in your system what you burned off with the cardio....

so....before you stick your head back up bobo's ass, learn how to read more intellegent posts, especially from guys like swolecat, who has been through it all, and knows what the hell he is talking about. SO, before you even diss anyone, get your facts straight, and learn how to read more than just one person's article!

posted by Sean

LMAO! Damn you Mods know your sh#t! I knew Morning Cardio was some what Catabolic but not that much. I thought the idea of Morning Cardio was to start cardio when glycogen stores are at there lowest (Which is in the morning) which burns fat more effectively (Supposibly). I didn't know it was so Catabolic, some excellent info here.

posted by kgressler

Ok smartass since you know it all you must also be ware that lifting weights depletes what are call glycogen stores. Carbohydrates refuel your glycogen stores. This is why you add simple sugars to you PW shakes

Actually, (i wont resort to name calling) smallguy i showed 3 or 4 studies proving that low GI carbs after lifting like oats is all you need.And adding all the high sugar isnt any better then oats. But i guess you refused to read and learn from that studies i posted.

posted by kgressler

2) you NEVER do cardio postworkout, due to the fact that your body has already exhausted all its fuel into the muscles which is used FOR MUSCLE GROWTH! THATS WHY WE USE SIMPLE CARBS PWO ALONG WITH PROTEIN! And by doing this cardio PWO, you are just taking away all the fuel away from the muscles (which it needs for GROWTH) in order to have the energy to even burn any fat if the body even has enough energy to do it...

Show me one study. Just one that says doing cardio after lifting is bad.
Before lifting yes but after nope you will not find it.
I dont understand you guys. I post articles and proof of my points i have made and you wanna name call and put me down.
I guess you guys refuse to learn outside of your little board here. I should have learned back a few weeks ago when you guys were gettin crapped on from the other board that you guys didnt know shit.
You really should open your eyes more.Swolecat is a great guy but he only one person.If you refuse to learn from others it your fault.
BTW i never said i new it all not even close. But i also keep an open mind. I used to think like you guys but once i did some research i learn there are better ways to skin a cat.
I thought this board was pretty cool but i guess if someone else has a difference of opinion they get put down and called names.
Cool you can have this board i was just here to try help others and learn myself.I am out no need to spend time on a board where everyone here knows everything and arent open to new ideas.
Cya later fellas! :thumbs:

posted by stabmasterflex

wow, this one started a serious debate.

Someone once told me that doing cardio after lifting was the best time because you burn all of your carbs lifting then during your pwo cardio you're burning strictly fat. Is this wrong?

posted by mongowillie

I'm not sure about anyone else, but most of the time I am too fatigued to do cardio after a workout. I don't think I would last 10 minutes on a treadmill after a brutal leg or back session.

posted by stabmasterflex

How about the idea of switching up different types of cardio? What do people think about that? Does it matter?

posted by gymphreak

First off...how the hell can you say that doing cardio right after a workout not be catabolic? your body is totally fatigued from the lifting (that is IF you lift heavy and streneous) and it does NOT have the energy to convert FAT into engergy. It takes almost triple of the energy required to convert fat into energy compared to protein and carbs. SO....if you actually learn how the body works, instead of quoting people, and learn that the body actually WILL start taking away the fuel that is trying to get into the muscle stores, and burn it to keep you going when you step on a treadmill. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO WAY IN HELL YOU WILL GROW MUSCLE MASS BY DOING CARDIO RIGHT AFTER A WORKOUT!

posted by mongowillie

Don't think it really matters, as long as you are doing it. Like you said earlier, it may take longer for you to burn the same # of calories based upon the type - so keep an eye on that.

posted by A.B

kgressler i have a feeling is yellowjacket

posted by A.B

any board willing to bash this great mod staff obviously has no class because we have some of the best bro's on here, and most are well respected.. now i personally think your making shit up here, but if any other board out there has a problem here then you send them a personal invitation from me to bring it here, instead of talknig behind our backs like girls...... were all sick of your 'know it all' attitude and we love seeing you run your mouth

post your opinions, yes, we do encourage them, but they may not be always right :)

posted by stabmasterflex

So what is the best way to burn away a beer gut and work on gaining mass? Should i lift one day then do cardio on an empty stomach the next day then lift the next and so on...?

posted by Sean

Diet! This is extremely important, you won't go anywhere without having it in Check. Personally, I'd lose the weight first and then attempt to put on mass. If I were you, I would start looking at what food does, and how the different types effect the body. Honestly, I found BBing really easy to learn but learning about food and diet ect... was like a full time job lol. But once you understand it, you can manipulate it to put on some quality size or burn fat easier.

posted by stabmasterflex

What about just a small amount of cardio post workout? 10-15 minutes of cardio. Am i still not giving myself a chance to gain muscle mass or is even this small of an amount going to affect it?

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