Bench Press question
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| posted by Improvise |
| When you guys bench do you bring the bar all the way down to your chest or just stop slightly above it? Just looking for opinions and thoughts on both forms. |
| posted by goldentornado22 |
| i bring the bar the whole way down to my chest even though ive been told its bad for you shoulders.. ive heard that its a better workout if you take the bar to about 90 degrees because you dont get that little bump after touching your chest. |
| posted by AMERFOOTBALL |
| dump bounce off your chest, just touch and go. everything should be controlled. |
| posted by bowers |
| This may be a little silly, but, If I go all the way down to my chest, I feel like my shoulders are the only thing engaged until I get the bar about 4 inches up, then my chest comes into play. My workout buddy says that he feels that his chest engages right as he lifts off of his chest. I guess its all about when you feel that your chest is working and when it is not. |
| posted by Captainhowie175 |
| i just move the weight slow and controlled, i try not to lock my elbows at the top either. and if i got a spotter i always do a negative on the last rep |
| posted by CUTS |
| yea its about how it feels to you. i bring it so that my arms are 90 degrees, so its not touching my chest. hurts my shoulders if i come all the way down |
| posted by illsniggles |
| yeah i dont touch my chest either, its not comfortable and i have a little tendonitis in my left arm |
| posted by Joe_Ice |
| lol ,,, touch your chest. if thats where you're weak, there's way to fix it (Ie. hammer grip db press, paused reps) so what are you go nna do as the weight gets higher? drop the bar higher and higher???????? |
| posted by president_fad |
| hes right, and im wondering how wide your guys grips are, because if its really close, then obviously youre going to feel it more in your shoulders as you go down. I always hear about peoples knees hurting from squat, shoulders from bench, and back from deads. I dont seem to have any of these problems? I think alot of people forms are poor and thats why these things are happening. You should film your bench, then we could critique it and help you out. Just a thought tho. |
| posted by bowers |
| I grip with pinkies at the wide grip line. I'll try pointers at the line and see how that feels. |
| posted by illsniggles |
| its hard to really explain through words |
| posted by Storm |
| There is a proper way to bench and those who "feel" it in the shoulders are not doing it right.. Slight arch to the back squeeze your traps as your base and control the wieght with your pecs seripus your doing it all wrong if your shoulders are getting involed like that.. |
| posted by cwshorns |
| so just because you don't have any of those problems then everyone that does have those problems has bad form? That statement ranks right up there with Joes "the reason steroids get a bad wrap is because of skinny people on them". IGNORANT! How long have you been lifting fad, because you make statements that newbies make. Which, i'm not slamming any newbie, but you seem to have all of the answers and then you make an ignorant statement like that. I'm sure there are plenty of people with bad backs or hurt shoulders due to bad form, but for you to insinuate that since you don't have those problems then everyone else that does has bad form, well it just shows your age. you should probably just keep to bumping all of Joes posts and not saying anything else or at least until you know what the f your sayin... |
| posted by CUTS |
| bump that |
| posted by Storm |
| Well PF at least in that post is right bad form is used with most people alot of you guys think you know what your doing but you don't when it comes ot lifting right.. Now PF and Joe Ice have been going on a tear of late but everyone settle down I got more exp then all of you not tryin to take the overstep you guys but like I have said don't forget where you came from or started.. Plenty of people on here talk out of their asses and yes it can be frustrating to read some of it so all of you learn to deal with it to a degree..Now most of you guys are really just rec lifters and don;t compete in BB or PL so I know it is hard to deal with it but it is a good bet your doing alot wrong and only working with a top level trainer or an active PL or BB that truely knows what they are doing then your not going to learn.. Mnay people out there that might look the part but don;t know shit just good genetics others might be bale to teach you a thing or two.. have seen plenty of bullshit spit out on the boards so take it with a grain of salt and figure out what is best for you... |
| posted by cosmic-dust |
| Control the weight coming down and work against the force of gravity too which is the point of free weights. control the weight down and force the weight up hard with power, dont get slack and let the weight drop fast and bounce it off your chest.. if you cant handle it then stick to a smith machine. |
| posted by Joe_Ice |
| I do nt see any big or strong dudes letting the bench come right before their chest. If you do your injured and should STOP LIFTING, ORRRR you have bad form |
| posted by president_fad |
| well ive been lifting for 5 years, and have hurt myself, but guess why? BAD FORM. Id be willing to bet that 95% of the reason people have those problems is because of bad form plain and simple. The other 5% could be due to genetics or just plain bad luck, but ill say it again, form is prolly shitty on the lifts where people are getting hurt. |
| posted by Joe_Ice |
| :thumbs: |
| posted by CUTS |
| i agree with that. i see alot of people doing some funny ass shit in the gym. like the "fish flop" on the row or lat pulldown lol. or when people use their whole body to do the rope on triceps. funny shit... |
| posted by Improvise |
| Another ignorant statement. It is actually PROVEN that bringing the bar all the way down to your chest does NOT work your chest more, you are using your SHOULDERS to push the weight up when you bring it down that far and your chest only engages the weight later. It is extremely stupid to bring the bar all the way down to your chest if you are using heavy weight and already have shoulder problems. And I guess you don't consider Dexter Jackson a big or strong dude: http://youtube.com/watch?v=KPr7B3d1eWg |
| posted by Storm |
| Wow you really are a dumbass...Show me where it is proven..If your doing the flat back meathod of bench then yes your going to use shoulders when touching the chest if you read back into what I said ealier in this thread you will see dif.. That is why so many PL have bum shouders right?? WRONG b/c most PL use perfect form unlike 80% of the idiots in the gym who say shit like you just did.. |
| posted by Storm |
| Frack kidd didn't watch the whole vid but right off the bat Dex is touchin his chest with the bar benchin so what the hell is your point?? |
| posted by jcvaughn26 |
| I don't know your point with that video he touched everytime. It was controlled all the way down. Yes your shoulder do have some involvement as do your triceps. The majority of the work is performed by the chest. Do a full rep that's my opinion. My weak spot about 3 inches off my chest, as is most people IMO, so why skip that last 3 inches? Controlled all the way down. Sorry to say this but if that hurts your shoulders from going the extra 3 inches you need to look at yoru grip, form, or stretch. It's not common with proper form for you shoulder to hurt in a bad way. And BTW, president fad I do agree most injuries are caused by improper form or big egos. My knees hurt me from squats going heavy, I don't think it was improper form as much as improper lifting gear, after I got wraps my knees feel great. Probably could go deeper it would be a little easier on my knees, I'm working on it. lol |
| posted by jcvaughn26 |
| shit I was a slow typer storm had 2 up before I had one. lol |
| posted by Improvise |
| I was talking about flat bench. And just because you've done massive amount of steroids and are big doesn't mean you know more than everyone. |
| posted by cwshorns |
| ...uh oh... |
| posted by Improvise |
| I must be going blind because at first I thought he was stopping right above his chest. After watching it again I can't tell if he the bar is touching his chest or he is stopping a little above it. Anyway, again, what is the point of using your shoulders when trying to work your chest? Especially with heavy weight, your shoulders are not going to be able to handle as much weight as your chest. I'm not trying to start an argument here, you can do it however you want but most guys that do heavy weight like that will end up messing up their shoulders in the long run. Not everyone will, but again, ask your doctor if you think your shoulders aren't doing the majority of the work when bringing the weight down that far. |
| posted by Improvise |
| I get the uh oh for saying that but Storm flat out calls me a dumb ass and nobody says anything. Why? Because he's a mod, because he's older and because he's bigger. I don't care that he insults me, but there shouldn't be a double standard. |
| posted by Storm |
| Ummm so was I brightboy and the gear I have done has nothing to do with my knowledge I trained top level atheltes for over 12yrs and hmmm was a trainer for over 3 yrs before I even touched gear so back the fck up retard your not getting anywhere like that you post stupoid shit I weill call you on it so prove me wrong if you know I am..It won't ahppen.. |
| posted by Storm |
| Call me whatever youwant but ya goota prove it dumbass and you haven't you post up a bullshit post like that and yes it makes you look like a dumbass you have no exp so that makes you look even more idiotic..I have already proved why anyone will get bad shoulders it is as simple as form so you point is mis timed as we already covered that so again you look like a dumbass... You insult the board by doing shit like that and again I will call ANYONE on a bullshit thread I don;t pull punches if your wrong then your wrong it is how you go about it that shows who you are and you went about it wrong with how you posted it..Dumbass... |
| posted by Improvise |
| Why are you so sensitive? You talk like 15 year old cursing like a sailor and a million typos and run-on sentences. Settle down big guy. I don't have to prove anything. The fact that you trained for 12 years and still think that bringing the bar down all the way to your chest works your chest more is funny to me. Where did you get your certifications from? |
| posted by Improvise |
| What exactly was I so wrong about?? |
| posted by cwshorns |
| No, i'm not giving you the uh oh for thinking you're right and storms wrong, i'm giving the uh oh because you personally attacked him. We can all agree to disagree with whatever we want on here but when you attack someone personally that's when it gets ridiculous and shows you have nothing more to prove your point, therefore, you try to make yourself feel better by trying to slam someone's character. That's my whole point!...Argue your point without making it personal |
| posted by Improvise |
| LOL did you even read my entire post or what Storm said to me before I said anything to him? |
| posted by Storm |
| Are you really going to pull out the typo crap?? Grow the fck up this isn't english class I get my npoint across and that is what matters.. Funny how you back peddle now so again prove me wrong I will show you how good form and touching the chest works the pecs more then bringing it to a stop just before..It is called perfect form and activating that muscle group by keeping full tenson on that muscle.. I was a high level TRAINER not just trained for 12 yrs so yes I am older bigger and more exp then you b/c of what I ahve done that is just how it goes I am sure there are a few guys bigger and better then me so that makes you even more insignificant... |
| posted by Captainhowie175 |
| your first sentance is what got ya in trouble buddy. your talkin like you invented the bench press |
| posted by Improvise |
| I see. I didn't mean it to sound like that. It's ok though I'm done with this thread. Obviously people disagree with me and that is fine. I was only trying to say that bringing the bar down all the way to your chest can be detrimental to your shoulders if you are using heavy weight and it is not proven that bringing the bar down to your chest works your chest MORE than stopping a couple inches short of the chest where the shoulders don't take the weight over. Anyways, I don't feel like arguing anymore so if you think I'm wrong that's fine if you want to find proof go ask a doctor. Good day. |
| posted by Storm |
| I don't think your wrong I know your wrong and I have and can prove it you have not proved a thing so that is the simple fact..Go ask a doctor?? Buahahahahahahaha great example... |
| posted by Joe_Ice |
| i hate all the ****in pussies that only bring down the bar til a few inches before to "ISOLATE THE CHETS MORE" well guess what you ****s, a bench press is a FULL BODY MOVEMENT!!!!!! it works the lats, chest, shoulder, triceps and LEGS . it works a lot of muscles if you're too girly to go to the bottom and work on your bottom end then dont ****in do it and keep the skirt on! |
| posted by CUTS |
| legs? what kind of bench are you doing. elaborate on the legs theroy...btw, chill out joe. |
| posted by Storm |
| Cuts get up in big weight and if you have good form your legs are your base and your contracting them to keep stable..Basic know how if your doing it right..the form I spoke of earlier is how you should bench by doing it that way you are keeping the wight on your pecs in a full range movement so it is full strech at the bottom and you contact the weight up..Easy as that.. |
| posted by CUTS |
| well i can see you using them as stablizing but i wouldnt think it would work out your legs....like make them fatigued. its not a prime mover or assist prime mover for a bench press so its not an exercise for the legs. its just a difference of opinion guys no need to get upset. |
| posted by Storm |
| Not upset at all but the idiot boy wants to say stuff like ignorant and a few other choice words as he talked out his ass..Again Cuts get up in weight where you have to have pefect form and you wil see how taxing it can be on the rest of your body...It is not a dif of opinion there actually is a proper way to bench to get the max effort out of your chest..Most don't do it b/c it takes longer to get comfortable with it and the amount of weight is lower b/c your workin the chest more..Isolationis the key with any movement and most are just concerned about moving numbers... |
| posted by CUTS |
| yea when i started with proper form i had to drop weight. when you half ass it your shoulders and triceps push the weight. |
| posted by Joe_Ice |
| once u get over 200 lbs on bench cuts u'll see ;) you must use your leg drive to get full potential from your bench... Thats what bench I'm doing |
| posted by Joe_Ice |
| your triceps are supposed to initiate the weight, ur lats stablize the weight. and your shoulders/legs and chest push it. |
| posted by CUTS |
| LOL dude i bench 225lb 10 times...im well over 200. |
| posted by Joe_Ice |
| Video? |
| posted by CUTS |
| Joe, what i said was when you half ass it you feel it more in the shoulders than in the chest. |
| posted by CUTS |
| are you serious? oh do i bench more than you? if i find a camera i'll do tape it for you Joe. |
| posted by Storm |
| Really, so you can bench 315?? |
| posted by CUTS |
| max is 295lbs. lol im not lying...i'll find a camera and post it guys. |
| posted by Storm |
| Hmmm well you shuld be able to bench 315 why do you think you can't do it?? |
| posted by CUTS |
| i dont know. bad form? never was good with one rep max's. dont know why |
| posted by Storm |
| Mental aspect of the whole thing takes time to learn and how certain things work and how if you can do this with proper mental aspect you can do this..Plus bench press barbell can kill you there is a fear factor.. Irons true measning has been lost with alot of people as they say he should be bale to do this and I know who can do that..Fact is unracking 405 on flat bench is a hard and dangerous thing to do so having a strong mind and being focused is key..Just as backing out with over 500 on your back these movements can hurt you bigtime for the rest of your life bigtime that is why pefect form the knowledge and strong mental aspect of this game is so needed.. Makes me sick how numbers are just thrown around now a days take balls to mess with the big iron so yo better know your shit when you do or your loking for a wheel chair or a life of pain..that is why some of us are so adement on proving certain peope wrong b/c they post up wrong info..Not directed at anyone specific but that is why I do what I do wanna get hurt go for a max with bad form and call me form the hospital... |
| posted by Improvise |
| Nevermind. Don't care anymore. |
| posted by Improvise |
| It's all relative. He could be doing big weight for his size. |
| posted by Storm |
| Yes you are right but he isn't b/c if he was he would know how much legs are involved in a big bench but you knew that already didn't you... |
| posted by Storm |
| Oh and size is relative also..You did know that right?? I mean I was benchin 350 for a 1 rep max at 210lbs natural at 6' ummm Cuts is about the same size in weight and on gear so where does that put the equation I would love to hear your input on that... |
| posted by CUTS |
| genetics? some people are just weaker in other areas than others. |
| posted by Storm |
| Ws talking about the size thing Cuts and trust me I could have you benchin more then you think in less then 4 weeks..There is a certain logic and path to training.. |
| posted by Joe_Ice |
| CUTs, why do u thi nk im always jealous of you? that couldnt be further from the truth ;) and i can bench more than you. A lot of people have bad benches bc they have longer arms, longer torsos, while those people are usually better at dead liftin |
| posted by CUTS |
| okey dokey |
| posted by Improvise |
| Are you serious right now? Well I know a guy who is all natural and weighs 165 pounds and I've seen him put up 315 5 times with ease. Never seen him do a one rep max but I'm willing to bet good money that he can do 350. Not only that but he is certified by 5 different publications and majored in kenisiology and I get my advice and knowledge straight from him; he's my boss. Does that necessarily mean this guy knows more than you because pound for pound he is stronger than you and probably in way better cardiovascular shape than you? No, but the fact that he has gotten a degree in this field and has been done a ton of scientifically proven research probably does. Everything I say I get from him. I don't just post stuff for shits and giggles. I get it from sources and you can take it however you want it. |
| posted by Joe_Ice |
| Lots of TOP TOP strength coaches do not have SHIT for a degree or anything. I have a training cert but big DEAL... i know plenty of trainers who have degrees and look good on paper but dont know SHIT |
| posted by Improvise |
| I agree and it can go both ways. But I think that judging someone's knowledge based on how big they are is not automatically correct. |
| posted by Joe_Ice |
| i can agree to that to an extent.... there are some HUGE dude who are ****in morons when it comes to training but they have such good genetics it doesnt matter anyhow |
| posted by Improvise |
| Agreed. Let's never fight again....lol. |
| posted by Joe_Ice |
| cant promise anything :D |
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