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posted by swindell7591

One of my freinds told me that sust will get you bigger than test E, is this correct. I know the eod shots of sust suck but wouldnt sust work better since it has 4 different esters. And if you did just shoot 500mg of sust on 1 day during the week would it still be as good as test e at the same mg once a week???? Any help would be nice prefrably some one who has taken these AS's before. I want to gain at least 30 lbs, this is my first cycle and i intake about 5500 to 6000 calories a day.
6'3 196lbs lean.

WHat do you guys think i should do to get big and hard>??? :thumbs: :banghead:

posted by gymphreak

well first off, if you are 6'3, and 196lbs, then you aint eating 6000 calories a day IMO...
To get big, you need to eat tons of food and keep training. Post up the diet and what kind of training you do. Steroids are not the answer.
Test enanthate and sust are the same thing, except sust has short esters, thus it will kick in faster. thats all. Test enan will give you the same results in the long run. Either one is good, AS long as the DIET is in check for growing....

posted by swindell7591

Your right but man, i have been working out for like 3 years and dont seem to ever really get much bigger. Alright i drink gallon and a half of milk every day water, protein bars, pizza, fish, chips, coke every thing you can think of to gain weight and still i barely grow so for me yes steroid are the answer. So you say test E and sust are the same thing huh ok well if there the same thing then why does sust have 4 different esters wouldnt that make you bigger, instead of just one ester in the Enthanate just curious, So lets say steoids are the only way for me to get big and hard, cut. what kinda cycle would YOU suggest for my first cycle to get those results i would like, with stacking also, i heard teste/deca would be good.

posted by JAVIER2005

hey swindle........ try not to piss the mods off........

use the SEARCH up at in the toolbar....... there are plenty of tall guys that seem to ask the same thing...... you'll find plenty of info....
i know i have......

posted by gymphreak

First off, let me explain what esters are....they are basically chains that control the release of the steroid hormone....When you take sustanon, you are injecting 4 different types of esters. You are only injecting testosterone both ways. The ester just releases the hormone in your system, and sustanon has a short ester, two longer esters and a longest ester in it...thus you just have the test kicking in faster since the short esters will release sooner and then the longer esters will take time to release.....whereas Test Enanthate is the same thing....you are injecting the exactly same hormone in your body both ways...its just a matter of whether you want to inject eod or if you want to inject twice a week.. trust me, you will get the same result in the long run.

As for your diet....i personally have the worst genetics on earth, and im the same height as you are, and i am almost 300lbs. consistency with diet is the best answer for you.....How many meals do you eat per day? is your protein intake 2grams of protein per lb of bodyweight? if you are eating only enough protein for your weight, you will stay at that weight....so you wanna be 200lbs? eat 400g of protein per day...to grow, you need to keep your protein and calories ABOVE maintenance....

posted by gymphreak

Secondly....You wanna get big? you gotta eat big to get big, then lean out and get cut from there.....it is extremely hard to get bigger and stay cut...

your first cycle? Do test or sustanon alone....do not stack since you do not know how you will react to test, and deca will cause you to crash at the end extremely hard and unless you have expereince you will pretty much lose your gains since the body will fight to get back to where it was before.
Do you know what PCT is? do research and learn before you even inject the stuff, or you will just waste your money....and also, when you cycle, you need to get in MUCH MUCH more calories and protein since your body will be using it all.

posted by swindell7591

yeah see thats the thing i know what to do with clomid hcg, etc. anavar hcg during middle of the cycle, clomid 2weeks after last shot of test, my pct is going to be perftect so lets say i do stack my first time and do the right pct would this be good? what do you think about this.

mnth1 testE500mgweek/deca300weeek
mnth2 testE500mgweek/deca300week
mnth3 testE500mgweek/deca300week
mnth3 middle of month start primobalon depot for hardness.not shure howmany mg i should take of it though. what do you think about anavar compared to primo?
2weeks after last shot start clomid possibly hcg also pct.

Let me know what you think about this 12 or 10 weeks cycle.

posted by gymphreak

for a first cycle....that cycle sucks

drop the idea of using deca and primo bro....trust me on that...its a lot harder to recover the first time.....secondly, primo is the most faked steroid out there, so the chance is that you will have fake primo....there are very few people that sell legit primo.

Just do test alone....500mg/week for 12 weeks. it will treat you well as long as the diet is in check like you said.... trust me on that. i put on around 30lbs my first test only cycle.

lastly...use hcg through the cycle, and stop using it a week before you start pct...using hcg during the pct conflicts with the recovery.

posted by swindell7591

so when do you think i should use the hcg in the cycle like how many mg and for how long would you suggest i take it . also i was told if you take anavar with the test youll get a hard look and keep almost all of it. ANd what doy ou think about durabolin not deca but durabolin? thanx for your help man much appreciated

posted by kgressler

So lets say steoids are the only way for me to get big and hard, cut.

The problem with this theory is you are completely wrong.AS isnt the only way to grow. You are tryin to take the easy way out.The probem with the easy way out is unless you have done your research your "easy way out" isnt gonna work period.You havent shown to anyone here you have any clue on what to eat and appear to be very limited in in your AS knowledge.

Do you have any clue how all these compounds you are gonna put in your body are gonna react?
I doubt it very much!

You dont need AS still you reach your genetic potential. And being 6'3 190's isnt even close.You need to build a good base over time 4+ years before you go this routine.Dont be a fool.Do your research put your time in the gym and in the kitchen..Eatin chips pizza and sodas isnt a diet either. You eat that and do a AS cycle and you might as well send me the cash you are blowing away and i will use it for real food and grow while you screw yourself up.
Sorry i am so harsh but it really irks me when people ask about AS without having there diets in check first.

posted by gymphreak

well put kgressler...

Swindle, you are far from ready to take anabolics. post up what your diet looks like, because i can guarantee you if its changed around, you will start putting on size....take it from me...i went from 210lbs to close to 300lbs at 6'2

posted by regino007

O/T:

KGR,you have really come around well with your post.Keep up the good work.

posted by kgressler

Thanks guys! Just tryin to throw my :2cents: in when i see fit.

I just hate to see those not willing to work hard to get to where they wanna be.
Seems like ever since steriods came into the main stream with baseball and BALCO etc all i have seen are kids who wanna be like Barry or Big Mac etc.
These same people will findout later on when they stop pinning themselves they will lose everything and resort back to where they came from. :screwy:

I mean really i have only been lifting 3 years and i am nowhere near my potential and have been tryin to learn about AS for the last 2 years.And only recently went into PH's before the ban.
And i know i am not ready for AS and really not sure if i want to.Its a tough decision and i am 31 years old i cant amagine those who are 16 17 even 22+ really thinking this is a good idea. Especially if they have no clue how to train or diet.
ANyway i am done ranting Thanks for the props guys. :thumbs:

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