need help 1st cycle of dbol and winny

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posted by kimball1890

Alright i have been lifting for awhile and decided that i wanted to try my first cycle. I have read to use test and decca with dbol but I am wanting to gain a little bit and cut up. So i was wondering if 6 weeks of 4 dbol pills a day with 50 winny a day starting the third week. And proper PCT at the end. What are your thoughts and what have you seen in relation to this type of cycle.

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posted by gymphreak

moved to appropriate forum....

Well, if your first cycle, you should try a test only cycle...if you are afraid of injections, then you are not ready for steroids.
Using two 17aa steroids at once is not such a good move as it will stress the liver alot, and to boot, you will lose the majority of your gains from the dbols, as its mainly water weight

posted by regino007

Exactly right Gym.
Kim,Do not use both of these together.Trudt us on this one bro.
How old are you and what have you used in the past?How long have you been training?
BTW,Welcome to BBF.

posted by Smallguy

bump for the solid advice above

posted by kimball1890

thanks guys a little more info for ya.... i am 24 and have been lifting for quite awhile my good friend who i lift with everyday is going on his first cycle as well he is using dbol and test. I am not afraid of injections i just read that if i want minimal gains and cut up a lot then dbol and winny was it. I am figuring i can retain at least five pounds of my gains losing about 2/3 of the gain from the dbol. Anyways i am on a regiment of milk thistle towards the end. What are your thoughts i haven't started yet?

posted by regino007

Your freind has the right idea.Use test as a base and stack with one other 17aa gear such as winny for cutting or dbol for bulking.
Good idea on the Milk Thistle as well.
5 lbs retention is all ratio'd at what you gain at first.What some ppl gain may not be the same for you till you try it.

posted by jcvaughn26

Test should be the base of all cycles. Also you said you were going to be taking 4 tabs of dbol a day. Majority of dbol tabs are 5mg if that is what you are taking I don't think you will feel anything from 20mg a day. I suggest 35mg usually, one person did that and he actually had to up it to 40mg before he felt the back pump that everyone is taking about, that was his first cycle.

If you are looking to cut up and gain some muscle at the same time get your diet in line first then do about the same cycle as your buddy. Test and the dbol to kick start it. The dbol isn't necissary and might not be the best choice for cutting but you will get good strength gains. I think you'd be fine be happy test only cycle but would doubt it until the 5th week if using a long ester, other options would be.... Test and EQ, or Test EQ Dbol... last one being the most I would suggest for a first cycle. Personally I would take liv52 through out (milk thistle and ALA also if you have them), and take l-dex through out to keep the bloat off and to prevent gyno. Have your PCT before you start and have nolva on hand in case gyno starts to show up.

posted by smaretick

agreed...you could also try Tyler's Liver Detox (https://www.anabolicfitness.net/shop/product_info.php?id=26&cartID=2faa9979d2a951b218b4bbcc02d52f36) from the AF Store. I would also recommend Cranberry Extract w/dbol (for kidney function)

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