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posted by Aaar0n

I'm just a little be confused here.

What is the differance between (for example, Test Enethate) 250mg=1cc compared to 300mg=1cc ?

I'm guessing that the 300mg is more powerful? Anabolic? :confused:

posted by canibalistic_js

yes, sir. It may be more painful as well. It just means who ever made ths Sh*t squeezed that much more test per mg by using BA. (ouch!)

posted by canibalistic_js

I always look at it for getting more for my money... I got T400 and was excited until my first inj. I tried super test 350 and it's not painful but when I went from 350-400mg a cc I found that I was limping for a few days.

posted by Aaar0n

Alright.. So, if it's more powerful, can you cut down the injection periods..
Lets say you were injecting Test Enethate 250mg 3x a week.
(stupid question but...) does this mean Test Enethate 300mg would equal (or close to) to that only doing... lets say, 2 shots a week?

Do you get what I'm trying to say, lol... :confused: :banghead:

posted by canibalistic_js

I misread it, yes you can cut down on inj by using higher mgs per cc.

posted by gymphreak

300mg/ml test enanthate is very painless bro....Test enanthate is 100% soluable in carrier oil (same with deca and EQ), hence theres no reason to be increasing the BA content. SO...canibalistic is wrong in that aspect. I make 500mg/ml test enanthate with 2% Ba, and no BB and the injects are not that much worse than 250mg/ml test enan....So...take that how you will.

300mg/ml test enanthate is just 50mg/ml more than 250mg/ml test enanthate. theres nothing more to it than that.

posted by canibalistic_js

I caught that before you posted yours! LOL

posted by gymphreak

[QUOTE=Aaar0n]Alright.. So, if it's more powerful, can you cut down the injection periods..
Lets say you were injecting Test Enethate 250mg 3x a week.
(stupid question but...) does this mean Test Enethate 300mg would equal (or close to) to that only doing... lets say, 2 shots a week?

QUOTE]

Nope....if you inject 250mg/ml test enanthate 3X/week, that will total to 750mg of test a week, and if you inject 300mg/ml test twice a week, you will have 600mg/week in your system...SO..you are shorted 150mg/week of your goal dose.....

realise this....test enanthate is test enanthate no matter how you slice it...so if you want 750mg of test enan a week, you will have to inject 2.5CC of the 300mg/ml test enan to get 750mg test enan/week.

posted by canibalistic_js

Is that what he was asking?

posted by Aaar0n

hmmm alright...So, the more amount of mg per ML= the higher BA, okay? The more amount of BA in the solution, will determines how painful the injection will be?

So if you have Test 400 and Test 250, the test 400 would be superior to the 250, meaning, better? If the Test 400 is better, why don't the labs just stop making the 250mg per 1ml?

Thanks for the quick replys Canible.

posted by gymphreak

WRONG!!!

aaron, re-read my first post bro. Test enantate, EQ and Deca are 100% soluable in the carrier oil, meaning that you can make injectables of those without BA or BB.

posted by canibalistic_js

BA is what causes the pain and yes this is true. I don't know if your kitchen defies the laws of physics but I have even asked on another board just to see and I had several people tell me that BA is the reason for the pain and...if you can make it without BA the why does every recipe call for it? Because it keeps the solution suspended. I believe that about EQ b/c it's liquid at room temp and its soulable at what temp?

posted by canibalistic_js

I didn't post this but I asked to use it for this board; His reply was "yes."

What makes shots hurt?

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High Mg per ML Roids, What you need to know –

1. Most hormones have a pretty low solubility in oil.
2. The primary ways to increase solubility are to
A) add solvent (BA or EA).
B) Add an ester to the hormone. The longer the ester
the more hormone will fit in the oil at a certain mg
per ml ratio. Conversely, the weight of the ester is
also factored in the total mg per ml ratio, so while
you can fit more hormone in, you are getting less
actual hormone than the mg amount implies. Here are
some examples:

Ester actual mg/100mg dose
test no ester 100
tren acetate 87
test prop 83
test enanth 72
test cyp 70
test undecan 63
nand phenyl 67
nand deca 64

This means that if your test cyp says 200 mgs per ml
you get an actual 140 mgs of test. The rest of the
weight is the weight of the ester. If that sounds like
a bad deal you need to understand that test no ester
is VERY insoluble in oil without going to very high mg
per ml solvent concentrations.

This brings up the next point; PAIN!

Why do some shots hurt? There are two primary reasons.
One, the solvent ratio is too high. Anything over
about 10% starts to hurt. BA and EA are VERY
inflammatory to the tissues. That’s why you want ONLY
enough to help your oil hold more gear but not so much
that it causes inflammation.

The second reason is that the gear crystallizes in the
depot. This is precisely why water-based suspensions
feel like hammer blows. The water is absorbed FAST,
leaving the gear to crystallize in the tissues = PAIN.
Even gear in oil can do this, here is how it works. If
you use a low ester weight attached to your gear and
make the mg per ml ratio SIGNIFICANTLY higher than the
oil will hold on it's own, what happens is the body
absorbs the solvent faster than the oil/gear and the
gear falls out of the solution and crystallizes in the
depot and WHAM, it hurts like hell. An optimum
solution has just enough solvent to get more gear into
solution than you could otherwise, but not so much
that what I just stated happens. When the ratios are
correct the gear holds in the solution UNTIL the whole
depot is absorbed and very little or no pain is felt.
Just to end this misconception once and for all IT IS
NOT THE VOLUME OF THE OIL THAT CAUSES THE PAIN, IT IS
ONE OF THE CONDITIONS STATED ABOVE. You can shoot 5
cc's of sterile oil and never know you took a shot. It
IS NOT HOW MUCH OIL YOU SHOOT! So why does everyone
search for super high mg per ml ratio gear like it's
the damn holy grail???

What is too high? Well the length of the ester is
really what determines that but most of us here know
the gear that hurts and know we know why. All tests
over 250 mgs per ml hurt, and actually most of the 250
mg tests hurt too. SOOOO many people want there tren
at 150-200 mgs per ml. Tren acetate should be at about
what?? 75 mgs per ml. That is why all the kits are
designed this way. Do you really think it's cheaper
for the kit producers to add MORE oil to their kits
instead of less? One other quick note. Oil is used
because it SLOWS absorption. THIS IS PRECISELY WHAT
YOU WANT IN A STEROID SHOT! Less oil does not promote
the steady state hormone levels achieved with more oil.

Originally posted by Doom

posted by gymphreak

You need to realize that that the three compounds i talk about, are all 100% soluable in carrier oil, thus the only reason why you need BA in it is for preventation of bacterial growth after filteration.

Anyone who argues that the three compounds are not 100% soluable in carrier oil, do not have experience with brewing aas. I hate to be negative towards people, but this is the truth. If you get "Test enanthate" and it is a bitch to get into solution w/out BA, then you did not get Test enanthate. Period.

Ive personally injected a full CC of BA, and it does not hurt all that much bro..So take it how you will. I did this to see for myself if the actual statement is true or not, but i know myself that its false to the extend that its not as painful as people say it is. Granted some people are more sensitive to BA than others, BUT higher mg/ml injectables dont neccessarily mean more BA is needed....

Yes, you do need BA for the majority of injectables, but 2-3% is the most you really need in all cases. Ive made over 15 gallons of injectables to this date, and barely use any BA....If i recall correctly, the most ive ever used was 4% BA, but that was when i made a test prop/tren ace blend which totalled to 200mg/ml...
when you account for many people, they overuse the BA content as 5% is OVERKILL.

posted by gymphreak

P.S. greggorial....re-read my post...i wasnt even talking about BA and pain dude.

Oh and

Quote by Pullingbig

"its the hormone most of the time that causes pain. solvents rarely cause pain unless you are sensitive to a particular one. esters do not cause pain. in fact esters help to alleviate pain. thats why longer esters can go pain free at higher concentrations."

posted by canibalistic_js

You know GP you have been right up to this point so I'm going to fly my white flag with pride...lol.

posted by gymphreak

LMAO...a healthy discussion is always good for a board :D

posted by Aaar0n

Woo woo woo there cheese tits.

K, I 100% fully understand.
I'm glad you cleared things up GymPhreak.
Thanks for the conversation.
I feel so much smarter now :D:D

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