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posted by PTIBAlla

hey im gonna be 19 next year it will be my 3rd year lifting heavy for real i want to be able to compete at 20-21 im starting on my 19th b day i dont have the best joints i hurt them often in my arms thats why i was considdering hgh becasue i know it can strengthen joints ligments and everything my brother who has done 3 cycles thinks i should do just a big d bol cycle with nohting but dbol and an anti estro any opinions suggestions?
money dosesnt matter i have 3grand laying around for my 1st cycle evan though i know it prob wont cost me naywhere near that. my bros got plenty of online hookups so anythign and everythign is available?

posted by AMERFOOTBALL

1st off you're too young. 2nd oral only will suck, you will lose all your gains and do nothing but screw yourself in the end. 3rd you're too young, even for hgh. you may still grow a bit and the hgh could cause you serious problems in the future. eat more lift right and don't think about gear for at least two more years. hell i'm 21 and i question if i am old enough. i will probably wait til 23-24. I know thats not what you want to hear, but be smart here.

posted by bignready

bump.yuo are way too young.wait a little longer and it will be worth it.i'm 31 and on my 1st cycle.and whren you do one use test not orals only

posted by Storm

Very dispointed in your post and your brother is a fckn idiot to even suggest a cycle like that..Shows hw much of intelligentce he lacks in his whopping 3 cycles..So many other facotrs to look at for hurtiing joints and other ways around it and to fix it..It is about being smart as in smart training and eating and rest guess you wouldn't know that now would you..

posted by Smallguy

I agree your too young

the cycle is a very poor chioce

you can also comptete in drug free contests.... I acutually highly recommend it that way u learn how to get fat off you with with diet and cardio and don't fall into the trap pf relying too much on drugs.

posted by Robfromny

i think somebody has a crush on stoooormmmm ;)
its ok, storms a great guy ptballa...

posted by Patrick_Bateman

18 and you havent done a cycle yet???
My God man, I was roided up at 11 and damn proud of it.

This is what every 18 yearold should do
week 1-16 Test E 2000mg
week 1-15 Deca 1200mg
week 1-14 EQ 800mg
week 1-6 Anadrol 200mg ED
week 7-12 D-bol 75mg ED
week 8-14 Halotesaton 50mg ED
week 3-9 Winstral 100mg ED

that is a small cycle but should work good for you

** THIS IS A JOKE *** SMALLGUY

posted by AMERFOOTBALL

lmao. he is kidding pti

posted by canibalistic_js

Wow, That's too much IMO.

I'd say maybe

Half the test
deca or EQ
Dbol or adrol
no halos for you too androgenic and you aint ready for all that.
maybe winstrol at the end

And do you know what PCT & Gyno is?

posted by PTIBAlla

well to be honest with you u gotta give me a lil bit of credit for thinkign this whole thing threw i mean boards and people say u shouldnt start thinkign about steroids untill you have reached your natural potentiol which could honestly easily go into age 25 30 i mean ure never going to stop grwoing if you eat hard an lift the same.And never get anywhere competing wise if you plan on starting that late. so whats the real difference in when you start i understand you can risk growth plates but i know im done growing at 19 im trying to look up what and when i should be doing this.

posted by Storm

Wrong it all depends on where you start and the exp you have..Some guys don;t startworking out till their 20's so yes later is better for them..Your starting about when I started..I made a goal for myself and I achived it..Could I ahve put on a litle more sure but I had been training for 5 yrs smart and went from 175lbs and 8% to 225lbs at 10%..I learned and grew from the fact I had a good base and wokrd my butt of to get it..

Plus you act like the gear is what is going to get you where you want and thatis not the case..So what have you realy accomplised in those 3 yrs being natual?? I agree compete natual until your 21-22 then when you do start gear you will be light years ahead of 80% of the guys but that would be the smart and defiant way to do it not for the weak at heart so the choice is yours..

posted by AMERFOOTBALL

at your age you could also **** your endocrine system for life. that would mean possible hrt for the rest of your life, which your insurance might not cover. plus the cycle you mentioned would blwo goats anyways. you would gain minimal amounts and lose all of it when you come off. at 19 you have so much test in your body anyways, it would be a waste of gear. like i said man, im 21 and i really think im too young for gear (not to mention the fact that im still getting my diet in check). Just focus and work two or three years without. if you do it right, you will be seeing great gains without juice. Then when its time, you will see much more/quality gains because you will have training, diet and rest down pat. I'm not trying to keep a brotha small, im just lookin out...

posted by PTIBAlla

alright thx alot guys im gonna reconidder it big time anohter ? is clen illegal in natural comp?

posted by Storm

Yes clen is illeagla as is any PH depends on which federation you go with..Bro realy if your that serious about it then do it right..No tmany can say they did it right and I even wish I had tried to compete natural a few shows before starting gear..I didn;t have near the info avail to me as there is for you..No boards juts UG books and learn the best you can..

So IMO if yu can do at least 3 shows natty your know how and exp will be so far ahead you will do very well in NPC shows from the get go and it will show on stage...Anywas you will have much respect from guys like me and as you know that is hard to get...Storm

posted by gymphreak

I agree with storm....compete completely natty for 2-3 comps, so you get a really good feel of your body, how it handles with being that lean, etc...and then once you get the training and diet dialed down 100% to the point that you are at your optimal natural prime and then consider aas.

posted by cwshorns

...in the mean time, send me that 3 grand, i need some gear-Hook Em

posted by CUTS

3 grand for gear? must be good shit

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