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posted by estray

Anyone heard of AIFM for men? Im using it right now its an ATD based anti-aromatose and it seems to be working pretty well. i had bloat problems last cycle and its much better this time around.

posted by estray

Huh. Nobody?

posted by AMERFOOTBALL

sorry bro...i have heard of it. i will be giving it a go soon. how do you like it so far...

posted by estray

Well, it def works. i think a little too good.

posted by AMERFOOTBALL

how much are you using?
maybe back it down 1

posted by AMERFOOTBALL

check out the other board for info. the man who designed it is there to answer any questions...

posted by estray

I was using 2-3 pumps a day. My gains totally stopped. i think it took my estrogen down to about zero. my sex drive was even slowing down. Since i stopped ive gained 4lbs. what other board are you talking aboot?

posted by AMERFOOTBALL

elitefitness--just watch out a lot of shady ****ers over there and prob a lot of cops too. thats the board one of the balco dudes used to frequent.

posted by estray

Cool. ill go give it a look.

posted by AMERFOOTBALL

the dude who made it goes by Macrophalge or something like that and ULTER is the dude who owns the store where you by it...

posted by Dex

AIFM? LMFAO.
AIFM is one of the worst products Iâ€™ve seen on the boards in awhile. What the
manufacturer has done is to take an AI (ATD), and make it transdermal. Then they
claim it will work as well as Aromasin.

It will not. In fact, itâ€™s Aromatase inhibiting ability (due to the method of
delivery, i.e. transdermal), will be minimal at best (probably enough to prevent
gyno on light cycles and reduce bloat a bit).

It will probably not lower SHBG to any great degree, and will not effect
aromatase in the same way oral AIs can. When we look at transdermal compounds,
and their ability to effect SHBG when compared to orals, we see in studies* that
transdermal compounds (which is what AIFM is) has a much lower effect on SHBG as
compared with oral compounds. This is clearly because SHBG is produced in the
liver, and by using a transdermal formulation, we actually bypass the first
pass, where a drug goes through the liver before entering the bloodstream.
Hence, we also see that in my article on injectable vs/ oral winstrol*
(available on www.anthony-roberts.com ), I reference yet another study where an
injectable and an oral are compared, and the oral has a far greater effect on
SHBG. Orals will always effect SHBG more than injectables or transdermals. The
amount of SHBG lowering we would see with a transdermal type-I AI is minimal at
best. I think itâ€™s less than 10% of the effect on SHBG w!
eâ€™d see from using the same compound orally (going off memory here).

And, as we know, Aromatase is found largely in the liver, so by bypassing the
first pass through the liver, and using a transdermal delivery system, AIFM not
only avoids interacting at the aromatase enzyme where it is largely found (which
means it wonâ€™t really be having much of a powerful systemic effect on Estrogen
levels), but AIFM also avoids having the kind of SHBG lowering effect that
Aromasin has. It will reduce estrogen, but would be far less effective than an
oral version of ATD. I would assume they came out with a transdermal version
because on the boards, research chems (like the ones from Ag-guys) rule, and if
they came out with an oral version of ATD (which was already available from
numerous companies already, prior to AIFM coming out), it would be killed by the
existing research chem market. Thereâ€™s no advantage to using a transdermal
formula for an AIâ€¦.ohâ€¦unless you want to avoid competing against research
chems (oral AIs). So they took a decent AI (AT!
D) and made it transdermal to avoid competing with the research chem market,
and claim itâ€™s as good as Aromasin. The only thing that itâ€™s better than
Aromasin at is causing a rash and boils (yeah, no kiddingâ€¦.some users get a
rash from it).

Pretty clever, huhâ€¦.and I suggest avoiding it. Thereâ€™s a reason that itâ€™s
ONLY popular on message boards that the company who produces it directly
sponsors. When I first came to EliteFitness, one of the owners of the company
had all of my posts exposing the ineffecacy of the product deleted. I suspect
that goes on wherever the company who sponsors it has any real influence. As of
yet, theyâ€™ve never answered my questions as to why it would be a transdermal,
and what advantages transdermal delivery has over oral (answer: none).

The amount that AIFM would actually lower SHBG would be almost statistically
insignificant (especially when compared with Aromasin which lowers it by about
20%), and the amount it would actually lower estrogen is probably in the single
digits %-wise as wellâ€¦maybe just over. Thatâ€™s right, you probably only get a
single digit % reduction in estrogen from it (ok, okâ€¦.maybe just over
thatâ€¦which is enough to reduce bloat a little, and prevent gyno on light
cycles).

Currently, the rumor mill has also presented me with the idea that one of the
owners of the company who produces AIFM has been in contact with (or has
threatened to be in contact with) the FDA, in an effort to shut down the
â€œresearch chem loopholeâ€.

Just thought you might like to know.

*Reference: Twenty two weeks of transdermal estradiol increases SHBG in surgical
menopausal women. Eur J Obstet Gynecol Reprod Biol 73; 149-52, 1997.

posted by estray

Dont knock it till ya try it bro. it works and it works good. Ive yet to hear a bad review on the stuff. I know alot of ppl personally that swear by it.

posted by Dex

im not knockin it bro. just posting up an argument

posted by estray

Oh, i misunderstood. I couldnt tell who wrote that post.

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