Arimidex and loss of mass gains

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posted by musclylad

Hello all,

I'm new to this site - it's great to see so many people who loves and understands the gym lifestyle. I am hoping any really experienced people can answer my question.

I am a 24 year old male - I haven't had a course of roids since March 2003. Later in the year, in October 2003, I developed mild Gyno - a lump and swelling under my right nipple. I was always careful with anti-estrogens, I was fairly well read on roids, don't know if this was some sort of rebound all these months later.

I still have the lump under my nipple - I'm currently on 20mg of Tamoxifen a day and it's taken the lump down a bit and the pain's gone, but it doesn't seem to be improving any further.

I am itching to do another course of roids, it's been too long baby! I am thinking of doing Arimidex the whole way through to minimize making my Gyno any worst. However I am aware that taking anti-estrogens the whole way through a mass building cycle may reduce gains.

I am thinking of taking 400mg of a Testosterone a week, probably Cypionate, along with Dianabol and possibly Trenbol 75. As this will be a strong course, at least at my level, do you think I'm likely to pack on size even if taking Arimidex the whole way through? Has anyone noticed a difference in their gains when taking Arimidex the whole way through?

Thanks and I hope someone will help me out here, take it easy and happy training :thumbs:

posted by Storm

Up the dose to 60-80mg a days for 2-3 weeks that should shrink the lump alot..Arima is a true anti-e so you have to be careful with dose since you need some estrogen for your test to work right..I like taking arima EOD at .25mg...Storm

posted by musclylad

Hi Storm,

Thanks a lot for your comments - I was planning to take about 0.25 to 0.50 mg per day of Arimidex. If I went as low as 0.25mg, do you think there will be enough circulating estrogen to benefit the Testosterone from the Roids whilst not irritating my existing Gyno? Do you think I should take it the whole way through or just have a week on and a week off whilst on the roids?
Thanks again.

posted by Smallguy

I've had no problems using 0.25 mg ed through out a cycle personally.

but what were u running last cycle?

because If I ever get gyno I want ot know if it was form esto or progesreone(SP?)

because if yur gyno was cause by progresterone arimidex won't cut it you'll need bromo

personally I'd get my hnds on some bro if I were u, if your gonna use tren as unless I'm mistaken it causes progesterone induced gyno

Smallguy

posted by jcvaughn26

I ran l-dex at .5mg EOD last cycle kept me dry and no gyno but I'm not prone to it either. I was on Test E 500mg/12wk, EQ 400mg/12wk, dbol 35mg/ 1-4wks.

Smallguy is right I believe, if you are going to be taking tren get some bromo it works best for progresterone. Although, I have heard that nolva will also work, but it's argued about, and I don't know forsure. For a question like that I would ask Pheedno he'll give you the technical answer, I don't believe he's on this board anabolicfreakz has him over there though, (sorry not whoring the board just trying to help him out).

posted by Durabolin

A moderate amount od Adex is best as too low estrogen can have numerous effects - worsened cholesterol, a negative effect on joint and connective tissue, long term impact on the HPTA making recovery after the cycle much harder, as well as plain feeling tired and down.

400mg a week with a moderate dosae of Dbol - I would start with Storm's recommendation of 0.25 EOD with 20mg nolva everyday. Do not go beyond 0.25mg everyday

posted by musclylad

Hi Smallguy,

My last cycle, which I finish in March 2003, was a mass building one consisting of Deca, Dianabol and Sustanon 250. However I do remember now that I took what I think were some Winstrol tablets in about May 2003 along with a sports supplement called Charge, apparantly a legal version in UK of Epherdrine.

I don't know what, if any, of the above caused my Gyno, but hope it helps you to be cautious whatever you take.

As for the Trenbol and bromo, it all sounds too complicated for me and I think I'll just stick to the Testosterone and Dianabol for now.

posted by musclylad

Hi jcvaughn26 and Durabolin,

Thanks for your advice. I think now that I will run Arimidex the whole way through at 0.25mg - but taking Tamoxifen the whole way through with it, will that now reduce my gains a bit too much? I suppose really I have to think of my existing Gyno and not get too greedy for size!

posted by shortz

Just to add what the other guys have already said, if you must use a higher amount of an aromotase inhibitor, like arimidex, make sure you are still taking Nolva with it. Nolva is a weak estrogen, so it has positive effects, but without all of the megative ones. It will help keep estrogen levesl at a safe level.

posted by Durabolin

Yeah I forgot to put that! Its good advice 10-20mg ED :)

posted by Storm

Nolva is not a true anti-e..So taking it will not effect your gains..Nolva occupies the space that the conversion occurs in so the only thing you need to be careful with is coming off..Come off to fast or too quick and you can get a rebound effect..Remeber arima,letro,aroma are all new age anti-e's back in the day all we had was nolva some proviron (also not a true anti-e) and teslac...Guys grew fine off od them..Well except for teslac it can shut down your estrogen forever...Storm

posted by musclylad

Sorry for the dealy in thanking you all for your advice - I appreciate it and feel more comfortable in taking Arimidex and Nolva for the duration of the cycle and post cycle. I am just praying my gyno won't get worst in the future, as I really don't want to have surgery (costs about £3000 in England) - I am also unsure if the gyno could come back even after surgery; any one on here had the surgery for gyno?

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