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posted by muscleengineer

I am 33 years old, 6'2" and weigh about 220lbs. I am looking for a good cycle to ad about 10-15 lbs. of LBM, but do not want to contend with water retention. I want to stay fairly lean. Any suggestions. Thanks guys. FYI: this wold be my first ( and maybe only) cycle.

posted by KING

It would help if you said how many years you have been lifting. I am guessing not too many. I don't mean that as an insul, but it really is best if you let your body adapt to heavy weigths before you start your first cycle. It will prepare your joints and connective tissues. On a cycle, your body will not adapt it's joints as fast as the muscle. This can lead to injury in an inexperienced lifter.

With that said, I would make Deca Durabloin the main part of your cycle. Sure, Dbol, Sust, and Clen all help and are great, but Deca is the best. It is also one of the most readily available. My source will sometimes run out of others when I wan them, but he always has deca. THere is a good reason for this. Deca won't give you bitch tits, or too much water retention (compared to others).

I'd also advise you to not stray from a traditional 12 week cycle your first time, especially if you use Deca. Those oddball 6 week cycles are a waste of money and gear. I'd give you specific dosages and injection schedules, but that might be irrelevant if you cannot get your gear. If you live near mexico, you are golden. If not, see what your source can get you. I'd also like to advise you to be very cautious buying online or with someone you don't know. I have never been busted, but it was a fear that I had to deal with early on because of my lack of preparation.

Good Luck! :thumbs:

posted by shortz

Deca won't give much water retention? I was on a low dose of deca and got hellish bloating. Not to mention, it's hard to keep at bay even with other drugs. Not to mention, deca is one of the most expensive gear you can buy.

Also, I don't think you should be hinting that people go to Mexico for their gear either. That's setting them up to be busted. The Mexican border patrol can be a bunch of real assholes to Americans.

KING, I don't mean this as an insult either, but it doesn't sound like you know a whole lot about cycling.

muscleengineer, how long have you been lifting? 10-15lbs of LBM really isn't that much. With a cycle, you can gain alot mor than that with a good diet. You can gain that naturally wiithin about 6 months to a year too.

For an only cycle, I would recommend a low dose test cycle. Many of your commen steroids are going to cause bloating, execpt for winny and test prop. Bad thing is, prop needs to be injected every other day, but it's well worth it. I made nice gains and dropped BF while on prop. As far as winny goes, I don't recommend it because it can mess up your joints.

posted by muscleengineer

I've been lilfting for about 1 1/2 years. When I started I was 190 and now weigh about 220. I train hard and eat good, but my gains have slowed down. I'm almost at the point where I wan't to maintain but want something to get me there sooner. Another 10-20 lbs of LBM is all I'm looking to put on. What do you guys think of Primo?

Thanks guys.

posted by shortz

Primo is also very expensive. If you are dead set on this kind of cycle, I recommend that you go with Eq, maybe some dbol at the beginning. 12 weeks at 500mg will do it. no water retention from Eq, but also not much for gains either. With dbol at the beginning, you will get a bit of water retention, but you will also only be using it for 4-5 weeks. Eq It is alot less expensive than primo, but probably the same as deca.

Test is the most cost effective thing you can use for adding muscle. It's very safe too.

posted by muscleengineer

OK, so Test may be the best way to go - any advice on which form of Test to use, doasges, etc. Looing to add LBM with minimal water retention. What would you guys recommend on the Clomid/Nolvadex? Thanks again

posted by shortz

Well, if you go with a long ester, which takes 2 injections per week, you will need to use Nolva through out the cycle to keep bloating down. If you go with prop, you wont have any bloating, but you will also need to inject every other day.

Your long esters will be cyp, enanthate or sust. Sust is a blend of esters, so I think you should just stay away from that until you are doing higher doses. It need frequent injections and that means your doses will be a little higher if you want anything out of it.

On the other hand, prop kicks in faster and harder. It's a short ester, so it doesn't take as long. It's also a little stronger, so gains may be a little better.

Most feel they get better gains on cyp. I don't know. I am using cyp this cycle and I am taking 250mg every 10 days to cruise until my actual cycle and I was hit with an increased sex drive within days. That has never happened to me before. It must be good!

As far as dosing, you could do about 400mg per week for 10 weeks. That will def be long enough for you to hit your goal. If you need the Nolva for bloating, start at 10-15mg and increase as needed. If you are hitting 40mg and it's not dealing with it, you may need an aromatase inhibitor (AI). An AI stops the test from converting to estrogen, where as a SERM (like nolva and clomid) only occupies the receptor so that the strong estrgens can't bond with them. AIs are much stronger.

hit me up with a PM if you need any help with that last paragraph.

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