10 years later, ready for first cycle

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posted by onswole

what's up guys, well here's my deal-

I've hit a plateau for the last year and a half it seems. The cycle I was considering was

dbol 1-5 wk, 20-30-30-20-10 mg
deca d 1-8 wk, 100,200,300,400,400,300,200,100 mg
then clomid after 14 days?

There's a beginner show Oct 21,2005, that I would like to enter(you have to start somewhere, he). So a gym pal told me that i'll have to use and injectable to come in right for any real bodybuilding contest(beginner or not). If your wondering why I'm not just getting advice from him about this. He's to hardcore for me, he's like 5'10 , 286 pds, and has had gyno surgery! His advice for my first cycle was to go with cypionate and dianabol(highest dose was 60mg) along with HCG and the 2nd cycle would be anadrol 50,stustanon with parabolan(?), with Nolvadex. I've told exactly 5 people about these cycles for me and everytime they look at me like I have shit in my mouth? Anyway any advice would be appreciated, thanks in advance guys-

posted by jcvaughn26

First off that is awesome the gains you have made naturally and how you were able to hold off this long. Second don't listen to most people that talk about AAS very few have any knowledge. People usually only know of winny, deca, and dbol. Personally this is what I would suggest for a first cycle some say Test only is fine but I like to get a little kick start at the beginning here is what I recommend...

1-5wk 40mg Dbol ED
1-12wk 500mg Test Enanthate or Cypionate both are long esters
1-11wk 400mg EQ (optional) the 2 above I recommend 100%

I love running HCG through out because it keeps your testes from shrinking up and I hate them shrinking also make you recover faster. So I would run 250-500ius 2x a week (monday thursday) not necissary though. Or you can run it at the end of your cycle 500ius EOD.

For you PCT
2 wks after your last enanthate injection

2wks clomid 100mg ED
cruise on 50mg until you feel you can get off, about a week or 2.

Since you would be running dbol I'd suggest taking milk thistle, liv52, and ALA for liver protection. Have nolva 100 10mg tabs at least on hand just in case you have gyno symptoms. If you are fearing getting gyno as most do you can take other precautions like running l-dex (Anastrozole) at .25-.5 EOD, and this will also keep off the bloat.

If you really want to keep the better part of your gains, I haven't tried this but hear great things about running IGF right after your cycle for a month. I am going to try it myself hear shortly. Most importantly to keep gains you have to keep you calorie level up so you can maintain your body weight or more.

Some simple things you can remember Test is the base of all cycles. Diet is the most important part of your gains, then training, rest, and then supplements.

Other will chime in on this thread and you can take what you want alot of knowledgeable people here, alot more knowledgeable that me I'm sure.

posted by onswole

:thanks jcvaughn26 :thumbs: my mistake...i need to learn forum etiquette :banghead:

posted by jcvaughn26

Bad move asking at all on an open forum, it's against the rules. Mad move searching the net to find one. Best way to get a reliable source is to meet some people online and they will hook you up. If you have some source that you would like to check if it's legit PM a mod and they will check for you. Also you should edit your post or a mod will.

posted by jcvaughn26

No problem check your PM's. Give you a little info, that you might find of value.

posted by regino007

jvc has alot of great feedback.ALways include some kind of test for a base.Deca is good for some and dbol is too.The key is trying to keep your blood levels as even as possible.So ramping up and down would make no sense.Keeping a steady stream to make the most benefit out of your cycle is one of the keys.

posted by Smallguy

Great post JC

posted by A.B

I would not recomend IGF for a first timer..... :)

posted by onswole

Why not A.B. :confused:

posted by Smallguy

because it isn't need you will grow off 250-500mg of test along if your diet and traiing are up to par.

and the mroe u use now the more you will continue ot use cause no one only does 1 cycle.

posted by onswole

ok, i see :)

posted by A.B

IGF is for advanced BB'ers who have been in the game for a while :)

posted by onswole

so if i use alot of gear this first cycle, I'll have to use more on the second? :ohcrap:

posted by Smallguy

yes if you use alot now u will need more to grow later look at gp's post about 300mg of test for a firt cycle that is all u really need ot gro 300-400mg and if your diet and tiriqng are the way they sohuld be u will grow.

thikn of it this way if you cna bench 400lbs but u olny use 135 to workout is your chest gonna gor--- probalby not

if you run alot of gear your first cycle can u get away with runnnig less gear for a 2nd 3rd or 4th cycle the answer if NO.

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