Dianabol with 1st cycle?

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posted by SMBLSBGARMS

My younger brother is lifting with me again and is gonna cycle when I do. I'm not full of shit about it being for my bro, my proposed cycle is already on another thread. He's lifted off and on (mostly on) for about 5-6 years. His wife has agreed to let him juice once and she will think about letting him do more later if he's nice.:) I know, he's a fag afraid of the ole lady!

His stats are; 6'5" tall 205lbs @ 9% bf (he's been naturally shredded his whole life) 30yrs old never done any steroids
I recommended he do what I did my 1st time which was Sustanon 250
500mg/wk for 10 weeks

He's agreed to do that but he wants to add Dianabol 25mg/day for the 1st 4 weeks to it because he wants to get the most out of it since he's heard the
1st cycle is the best (and maybe his last if he loses his temper while on):hi:

My question is, will doing the d-bol the 1st time around make it any less effective if and when he does a 2nd cycle?

posted by cowcountry

If he wants to run with the D'bol, I'd highly recommend something other than the strongest test blend known to man kind. There is no reason for him to run the D'bol if he's going to be running sust (Which I think would be a dumb choice for a beginner) because sust has a short esther in it already. The reason you run D'bol your first 4 weeks or so is to get immediate results while waiting for the test to kick in.

Personally, I wouldn't run this as a first cycle. I'd negate for primo or anavar or primo and anavar, you could kick the primo off with 4 weeks of D'bol as well. He will see sick gains and not have to overstress his HPTA. But, what do I know?

posted by estray

I was thinking the same. I know ppl say to keep it simple to see how you react but if youre taking a long ester, you wont know how you react till week 4-5 anyhow so why not throw some dbol in there. I def wouldnt do sus first time around.

posted by SMBLSBGARMS

Back when I did sust as my first cycle, based on my research at the time I thought it would be the best.
Truth is, I gained a LOT of strength and size and he saw it and If I tell him to do anything other than what I did he thinks I'm trying to sandbagg him so he won't run away and leave me in the size department.:laughing:

posted by A.B

for a frist cycle tell your bro to do a single long ester test, either cypionate or enanthate... sust has 4 esters different half lifes... 200mg to 400mg a week for 10-12 weeks... tell him to educate himself before injecting anything into his body... dont know how some peopel can actually inject osmething into their body without knowing what it is... amazes me the stupidity of some people... his first cycle will be his best if he has proper diet, training and rest, he shouldnt even need more then 200mg.... also 6'5 205lbs, i dont think hes at his maximum growth potential... tell him to hit 220lbs+ before he starts his cycle, or if not, if hes stubborn, then take the advice i posted above

posted by EL2

6'5' and 205, he needs food more than he needs gear dude! If he hasn't learned how to eat and grow at this point gear will not help him.

posted by SMBLSBGARMS

Well he, like me, took a long time off. He's back at it and believe me, he's eating. He's so damn naturally lean, I told him to eat until he notices his abs starting to dissappear. He's not gonna juice yet, he's waiting until we're ready like I am. Just planning it out now. He probably will get up to 210-215 pretty quickly. If you saw him in person you would know he's born to lift.
He stays muscular, vascular, and strong even when he doesn't lift. Fag got all the good genetics. :mad:

He's done some research, but to be honest, he'll always be the little brother and trusts my judgement and wants to do what I did. And yes, he's mule stubborn.

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