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posted by bigbody385

hi everyone, i'm new to this sight and i am very interested in starting my first cycle of injectables.i've been doing my research and "studying" every cycle and injectable out there.and i have a question....i was really leaning towards taking a 175mg tren enan. and a 125mg eq stack. im looking for a mild first cycle and something that will give me lean mass and strength.i just wanted to know if this would be a good stack and what i could expect out of it. thank you.

posted by estray

Those doses are pretty small in not sure they wouldnt do more harm then good as your natural test will prolly shut down and what youd be putting in might not get your test levels back to where they were if that makes any sense. Even HRT doses are more than that. Not to mention test should be the base of every cycle and i wouldnt stack eq the first time. You put 2 long ester roids in there and if your body doesnt like one you wont know which one. Lastly, tren is pretty harsh. How old are you, stats, lifting experience?

posted by Dex

ok first off, tren is nowhere near a "mild" cycle. second, give us your age, weight, height, BF, yrs exp, and anything else your heart desires

posted by Smallguy

yeha I agree if u want ot do a mild cycle do 250mg - 500mg of test a week... make it al ong acting test.

tren can be nasty do;nt do tren enth your fist run

no need ot stack on your first cycle either.

posted by bigbody385

i was thinking of taking tren en. b/c a buddy of mine took it for 4 weeks by itself and gained 10lbs and lost 1% bf and had no sides and then he ran primo with it for the last 6 weeks. and this was his first run with gear. and he didnt have severe sides or n e thing. he loved the cycle. i know everyone reacts to things differently but the gains he made were impressive. i have a variety of choices to go with. what would you guys think of this stack....200mg test cyp. and 150mg tren en.? or would this be better....300mg test cyp. and 200 mg deca? thank you for any replies.

age:20
weight:194
height:5'8
BF: ? (i have visible abs,but nothing spectacular)
yrs exp: about 3-4 yrs of lifting and dieting(played h.s football and baseball)
bench:345(max with light help)
squat:315(need more leg work)
deadlift:460

posted by brsett

Gained 10 lbs of muscle from Tren enanthate in 4 weeks?

I thought enanthate took 4 weeks or so just to get your levels up.

posted by Dex

everyone is going to say youre too young but if youre going to do it right do 500mg/wk of test cyp and 400mg/wk of deca. if you can get ahold of EQ i'd do that instead of deca.

dont do tren for your first. you'll get massive gains off test and eq/deca. plus with tren you'll be stickin yourself everyday or every other day. what do you have for PCT??

posted by Storm

It does. the oh so good placebo effect they don;t know the tech specs of what they take to the mind is such a wonderful thing showing us he had alot of room to grow natual but weak minded guys think gear makes you grow form day one.

posted by Storm

tren and EQ as a first cycle is not mild and not the smartest first cycle. As already said 500mg of t4est enth would be a much better choice but who are we to tell you what to do..Sorry on a diet and really don;t give a shit right now.

posted by bigbody385

alright so if i ran the 500mg/wk test cyp. and i wanted to run eq with it...what would the dosage be for the eq?and how could i take the shots...mixed or one after the other or start the test first for a given amont of time then run eq? or run eq first then test after a week or so? i ask this b/c i seen a sample stack of eq at 250mg/wk for 11 wks and test en. at 250mg/wk for 10 wks(the test was started at week 2). sorry if im asking to many ?'s i just wanna make sure that im gonna do everything right so i get the best gains for the money and all the time and effort im gonna put in in the gym and diet.....for pct would nolva/clomid stack be needed or just one of these?or would proviron be a better choice? thanx again for the help everyone!!!!!

posted by Dex

well i will help you because youre going to do it anyways. personally i think Storms response is ****in right on and funny as hell. lol

i ran 300mg/wk of EQ and that was awesome for me. you can pull the EQ out then put your test in the same syringe. the EQ seems to fall to the bottom either way you put it in...kinda like water and oil seperate. start it at the same time...say you are running everything for 10 weeks. because of the life of EQ stop at week 9 and continue to run the test for the full 10 weeks. start your clomid and nolva 2 weeks after.

thats pretty generic but i run my cycles a bit differently

posted by bigbody385

thanks alot man...i was skeptical about even doing test b/c of the estrogen sides i've been reading about.but i know test is basically a must for putting on size.so its worth a try...the eq in this cycle will solidify the test gains and keep some of the water bloat down right? and also what is the dosage for pct(clomid and nolva) a day and for how long?what kind of gains could i expect from this?(i want to try to stay somewhat lean but put on muscle mass and increase strength) thanks again dex!

posted by Dex

im willing to help out but you need to do some more research. before you start you should basically know what your gonna do then ask for advice from vets so that they can tweek it. EQ will give you crazy pumps and it made me always feel hungry. keep nolva on hand so if your nipples get sensitive you can take 20mg a day until it goes away....or more (40mg) if need be. clomid run 100mg ED for 2 weeks and most people go another week of 50mg ED.

i use 5000IU of HCG and 100mg of clomid for 2 weeks. works for me and i've always kept my muscle.

posted by bigbody385

one last ?....will the gains from the 500mg/wk test contain a lot of water bloat and high estrogen?

posted by illsniggles

ask estray about bloating, lol, i think he said he has about 30 pounds of water on him right now

posted by Dex

haah 25lbs of water isnt possible. if you are worried about bloating pick up some Arimidex and take 1mg every 3 days. idex will also help with your estrogen/gyno

posted by estray

I had about 20lbs but its coming off now that im into PCT. Im down from 223 to 208.

posted by Dex

damn man. i only put on 10lbs of water max. soon as i come off i lose 6lbs. maybe your pct sucks?

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