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posted by AKS

25
6'3
235
lifting for about 4 years
have done two 6 week cycles of 1-Ad which was good but I lost almost everything in a matter of time following cycle.
I lift with low reps and high intensity monday through friday for about 45-70 minuts focusing on a single body part each day. My goal is to gain strength and size primarily my arms as of recently as they are lagging behind the rest of my body. I have been looking at trying a stonger cycle; any tips on what I should take. Preferrably a low side-effect beginner cycle. Would like to add about 15 pounds of lean muscle and keep it.
was thinking something like this:
dianabol (thialand) 25/30mg/day--6weeks
deca durabolin (norma hellas) 300mg/week--10 weeks
nolvadex 20mg/day--16 weeks

posted by A.B

look to build all over.. dont focus on your arms. as far as the cycle you posted is not too great... testoseterone is the base of every cycle... and thats all you need to start off...

test cyp or enanthate 200mg-400mg week 1-10
have nolva on hand during the cycle and for PCT

dont stack on your first cycle... start PCT 2 weeks after your last shot of test.

posted by A.B

what is your current training routine and diet?

posted by AKS

I was following the max-OT training routine from ast-ss.com and used it for about a year. Now I do more of the lifts that I like and change the routine about every 6 weeks. for example:
Monday: Chest
Flat barbell 3*4-6reps
Incline Dumbell 3*4-6reps
Deep Dips 2*6-8reps (weighted)
Abs
Tuesday: Back
Weighted Pull-Ups 3*6-8reps
Barbell bent over rows 3*4-6reps
Seated Rows 2*4-6reps
Wednesday: Legs!/calves
Squats 4*4-6reps
Leg Press 2*4-6reps
Stiff Leg Deadlift 2*4-6reps
seated calf raises 2*6-8reps
standing calf raises 2*6-8reps

Thursday: Shoulders/Traps
Military Barbell Press 3*4-6reps
Military dumbell press 2-3*4-6reps
Lateral side raises 2*6-8reps
bent over lateral side raises 1*6-8reps
Barbell Shrugs w/straps 4*6-8reps
Friday: Arms
Tricep Push down(straight bar) 3*6-8reps
Barbell Curls 3*6-8reps
Skull Crushers (curl bar) 3*4-6reps
Alternating Dumbell Curls Standing 2*4-6reps
Dips till fail
preacher curl 2*6-8reps
Sometimes I will do a few wrist curls with a barbell and reverse curls for my forearms.

Diet
Not as accurate and calculated as it should be. For a general idea though:
6 meals per day( 2 coming from protein shakes) 100% whey gold standard

8:30am--32 oz of water
9:00am--4 whole eggs and 4 egg whites scrambled
2 cups of cream of wheat and a tablespoon of reduced fat peanut butter
10:30am--GYM--(45-70 minutes)
12:00pm--Phosphagen Creatine
12:15pm--50 gram protein shake

1:00pm--1/2 lb of lean ground beaf and 1 1/2 cups of brown rice

4:00pm--2 chicken breasts (usually from frozen bag) 1cup of quaker oats oatmeal with 1 tablespoon of peanut butter and 2 cups of broccoli

7:00pm--1 1/2 cans of tuna with about a tablespoon and a half of light mayo

10:00pm--50 gram protein shake

10:30--bed

My supplements are as follows

creatine phosphagen
no xplode
optimum nutrition protein
vitamin C (2000mg split up in day)

Appreciate all help and advice!

posted by SMBLSBGARMS

The cycle A.B. recomended looks good for a low side beginner. If you wanna step it up add 25mg dianabol per day for the first 4 weeks. Forget the Deca for now. Make 400mg/wk of test e (or cyp. or sustanon for that matter) the base of whatever you do for mass/strength.
Don't use the nolva during the cycle unless you need it (sore nipples). Don't worry about the bloating, it goes away quickly after the cycle and it helps your gains.

posted by AKS

is nolvadex after the cycle for 6 weeks a recomended amount of time at about 40 mg/day? I'm concerned about keeping what I gain during cycle, granted I know that I will lose some.

posted by SMBLSBGARMS

I've read different opinions on this site, but I've done successfully hcg and nolva for pct and lost a little water weight but kept almost all of my size/strength gains.

This is what I did.
starting 1 wk after last test shot, 1500iu hcg evry 5 days 3 shots total
starting 1 wk after last test shot, 60mg nolvadex per day for one week
40mg nolva per day 2nd week
20mg nolva per day 3rd week

It is definitely worth noting that I had Arimidex on hand during the cycle and took 1/2 a tab every 3rd day for the final 2 weeks of the test and the week of taking nothing so estrogen was already pretty much under control at the start of pct.

posted by illsniggles

60mg nolva, isnt that a lil overkill?

posted by brsett

Swales says that more than 500IU per dose HCG kills leydig cells. Of course he's in the HCG during, not PCT camp also (as I'm sure you're aware).

posted by SMBLSBGARMS

60 could have been overkill. All I know is it worked by every subjective measurement. All my lifts stayed very close to where they were, I lost a little weight ( like 8lbs of 23 gained) but my size stayed very close, my dick worked (the ultimate test, lol) and within 3-4 weeks I was making natural gains again.
I may knock the 60 to 40 next time, I didn't seem to have any sides from nolva though.

posted by A.B

HCG shoudl be taken only during the cycle, not for PCT... the only time HCG is to be taken for PCT if your cruising on a low dose of test, var, proviron. As known, HCG post cycle can prevent you from recovering

AKS as I posted before all you need is between 200mg to 400mg of test... peopel say to stack it or increase the dose because it "hasnt" worked for them etc.. the reason it doesnt work for them is because they lack diet and right training program so they look at steroids for the answers.
I wouldnt take nolva during the cycle unles you notice bad sides. As far as diet and training bro I'll have to go over that later and get back to you... I'll send you a PM with my critque

posted by brsett

Wow, custom advice from AB!

So there you go, post enough info, AB gets interested.

posted by AKS

Thanks A.B.

posted by Dex

i do a total of 5000IU after my cycle for my PCT. works fine...dont see the problem is running it after

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