Natural bodybuilder at his limits

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posted by daulhouse

Im 21 weighing in at about 215 and have been training for 7 years now. To be honest my results are not typical for a natural bodybuilder, I have had great progress. I see myself becoming a pro bodybuilder someday. Its all Ive ever wanted to do. But I am at that point where all the hard workouts and dieting and suppliments just go toward mantaining it seems. I know my body and it is very responsive. I know just a very minor stack will produce results that will please me. There is also another thing I should mention. Im in the Army and I am worried about side effects like gyna that would pretty much be a dead give away and **** my career. So please any advice on a stack suitable for simple gains that can be well maintained with the hope of no side effects would be great. I know nothing has a greater effect on building muscle than a deep commitment to proper training, diet, and rest. I just need some help to get past my genetic limits I think.

posted by AMERFOOTBALL

500mg test enanthat or cyp for 12 weeks with 50mg proviron ed. keep some nolvadex on hand for signs of gyno and clomid for pct. if you are worried about testicular atrophy, use hcg at 500 iu every 5 days.
pct should like this 2 weeks after last shot, 100mg clomid ed for 14 days and 20 mg nolva ed for 10 days. after that 50mg clomid ed for another 14 days.

increase diet and protien and grow!

posted by RHNewfie

For PCT I would do:

....research

posted by daulhouse

Is that 500mg test every day or once a week? What is pct?

posted by RHNewfie

Alrighty... how about you forget everything we said, do a LOT of research on your own and then talk to us. It is clear that you have not invested enough time or thought in this. Perhaps you should wait another 3 - 4 years.

Post a picture and your workout routine and let us see if you have reached your genetic potential

posted by Dex

500mg is a week and PCT is post cycle therapy.

but i agree with RHNewfie, you need to do a bit of research before you start stickin yourself.

posted by AMERFOOTBALL

poke around on the web on various boards and research steroid use. PCT=post cycle therapy
steroids shut down you body's natural ability to make testosterone (which happens in your balls, which is why with steroid use your balls typically reduce in size) The good news is that its temporary but you need to do PCT in order to bring your body's natural test levels back up. 500mg is per week. Do some more research before starting bro, by the way whats your bf % at now and what are your goals for this cycle?

posted by cwshorns

Also, what's more important to you right now, your amatuer bodybuilding or your career in the Army? Here's what i don't get about some people. YOu come on here and ask for advice and then you throw a caveat in. "...Oh btw, i don't want to be to noticeable because i have a career right now that could be ruined..." in so many words. Well, then wait until you're out of the f-ing military before you do anything! Not to mention you don't have a clue about aas anyway. DOn't f*ck up your job because you want fast results now. Youve already stated you've had great gains being natural and i assume you will be getting out of the military soon, so why not wait!! My 2 cents

posted by RHNewfie

Take THAT to the bank...

That's why I love my sig...

posted by canibalistic_js

Honestly if you are looking into gear I suggest you do a little more research. I honestly think a test only cycle is great and stand behind AMer but if you don't want an obvious change I'd go with even a lower dose because 500 your likely to see 20lbs in about 5 weeks yes, some will be water and some will be fat but your going to be a lot bigger than you were and it will raise an eye brow. Also, if you live in the barraks don't keep it there and don't tell ANYONE. Also, no branch of the military tests for such things and only do under suspicion. I would have a huge bottle of detox in my rack and start my cycle asap, IMHO. I got a better Idea you explain what PCT is to us. When I was in the serivce I was at a joint force command and we had a group of people who were on gear and none of us got caught nor did ever get tested for anything other than MJ coke, and the basic drugs never gear. I never did but at the time it seemed everone else did I only did massive stacks of Ph's.

posted by daulhouse

I did do a little bit of research and it led me here. I will continue to read up on this stuff and learn the slang, my bad. Im greatful for the advice given though. So is 12 weeks a normal first cycle?

posted by estray

8-12 weeks depending on the ester.

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