Oxymetholone and Primobolan?

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posted by Frankz

:thumbs: I want to thank you for the help, with your info I could look up more, and it would be better to do this cycle:
weeks 1-10 500mg of a long ester test
weeks 1-4 dbol 30-40mg

So again thank you very much
Topic can be closed :thumbs:

posted by Frankz

:aah:

My goals are to gain weight, and keep the weight... ;)
Thankx.

posted by Smallguy

I would to a test dbol cycle for your first "real" cycle. Primo is a good drug but is highly faked... I know of one underground lab in Canada PVL that makes it but the scherring stuff is very highly faked.

I suggest

weeks 1-10 maybe 12 500mg of a long ester test
weeks 1-4 dbol 30-40mg dpending on how much u used last time.

Smallguy

posted by shortz

Oxymetholone isn't a very good one to start with. Most guys find out that they get sick from using it and they wasted their money. Not to mention, it will be the most likely steroid to crank up your blood pressure and estrogen.

posted by Frankz

Thank you two for answering :)

but :oops:
My goal is to gain a lot and with the Oxymetholone (Anapolon) I know for sure that that is the case.
I was also thinking to take Proviron just in case for the estrogens part...and for the water retention... am I correct on this ?

posted by Frankz

hmm maybe the Proviron blocks too much and keep the Nolvadex in close reach...
All that thinking... :banghead:

posted by Smallguy

not sure on the estro part but I personally find arimidex or l-dex great for keepnig water off.

but I belive to combat any gyno symtomd form drols you need to have bromo on hand

Smallguy

posted by shortz

This is a myth bro. I have been looking for referances for so long on this subject and it's difficult to find. Almost every profile for drols on the net are cut and paste from the same source and alot of the times, because of this method of writing profiles, it is never backed by anything.

Anadrol was once THOUGHT that it activated progesrtonic activity, but it has since then been debunked. For referances, here is a quote from BigCat.

"But a study2 testing the progestational effects of oxymetholone and methandrostenolone against those of testosterone as well as nandrolone and its metabolites showed that the progestagenic activity of oxymetholone wasn't even in the neighbourhood of that of testosterone, let alone nandrolone." 2 Desausles PA, Les hormones anabolisantes de point de vue experimental (Anabolic hormones from an experimental viewpoint), Helv. Med. Acta 1960 , 479-503

Also, check out Anabolics 2K4 for more info.

posted by Smallguy

thanks for clearing that up bro

Smallguy

posted by Frankz

Thank you two again for answering :rolleyes:

So if I understand well, you don't have to take those things like Nolva or Proviron because the Oxy normal isn't estrogenic, only when stacking with an other steriod which aromatize then it would have an progestagenic effect and u should use Winstrol for example.

As i also understand is that the estrogenic part can take place if you are vunerable for it so then better keep the Nolva nearby.....and this is not because the Oxy is estrogenic :rolleyes:

Am i correct with this?

posted by shortz

Not sure what the f*** the rolling eyes are for, but if you don't want our help, you are more than welcome to leave. I think you misunderstood what has been posted.

Drol causes an increase of estrogen activity. It does NOT, however, cause any progesteronic activity. It is two different things. An increase of estrogen will cause water retnetion and the possibility of gyno. Whenever doing a cycle, no matter what you're using, nolva is a must to have onl hand because you never know what may happen.

posted by Frankz

The roling eyes don't mean a thing , it is just to brighten up the post with a nice emoticon that is all.

Yes I am glad with your help otherwise I wouldn't ask...

Ah I see, so it causes an increase of estrogen which can lead into water retention and can cause the possibility of gyno.

What I have read and heard is that Proviron handles the gyno part and it also reduces the water retention. They say Proviron attacks the estrogen from the beginning.
Is this correct then?

Then the only other thing is u can lose what u have building up with Oxy at least that is what i have heard is there then a way to harden the mass u gained?

Would like again some advice...

posted by shortz

I was hoping that someone else would jump in here, but since not, i will answer the question. You can use Proviron to help battle the water retention, but it won't stop gyno if it actually starts. You still need to have nolva/tamoxifen on hand.

You are not going to get much from the Proviron as far as gains either. So, alot of your gains will come from the drol. Unfortunately, alot of the gains you make on drol will be lost when you come off. Remember, the faster the gains, the more likely you will lose them. You won't be giving your body enough time to adapt and actually build the muscle. Most of your weight increase will also be water, so don't be upset if you lose all but 5lbs when you come off.

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